At the Republican Party Lincoln Day Dinner on Saturday night Lucas Yonkman announced that he is running for Bob Severns seat on the Oak Harbor City Council.
This is great news for Oak Harbor, we need fresh blood in our city council that brings fresh ideas and a different perspective than we currently have on the council.
It is nice to see a local born and raised Oak Harbor resident step up to the plate to help make this a better place to live for all and that will hopefully make decisions based on what is good for all citizens of Oak Harbor not just the good old boys that have ran this city for far too long.
Hat’s off to Mr Yonkman! We need to give him all the support that we can!
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“… he is running for Bob Severns seat on the Oak Harbor City Council.”
IS THAT ONE DOWN 2 OR 3 TO GO AT NEXT ELECTION?
Whatever, that’s not going to sit well with the members of the “good old boys club”
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This whole story is just very strange, a month ago Lucas said he had never before watched the procedings of a council meeting and now he wants to run for council.
I hope he understands there is much more than just a made up guns issue that faces our council.Also by washington state law after publicly declaring intent to run for office there is a timeline to establish such things as who your campaign treasurer will be and reports must be filed quickly with the pdc. Once that type of information is out we will then at that point have a better idea if this is for real or if its just a big gimik as it on the surface would appear to be.
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There is no law that forbids people from announcing their intent without filing first. There is no law that forbids people from campaigning for any elected office without first filing with the PDC. After a candidate announces he has 2 weeks to file and depending on the funding amount and sources he may or may not need to continue to file.
http://www.pdc.wa.gov/filers/candidates/localandjudical.aspx
It will be a breath of fresh air to Oak Harbor to have another councilman that is not part of the good old boys who have made decisions in the past that benefit a few instead of all of the citizens. Lucas Yonkman is more than capable of being a city council member.
I take it you do not trust Mr Yonkmans words? You really feel this is just some sort of a gimmick? What would be the purpose of this “gimmick”?
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The only “big gimik (sp)” is Shane’s post. Obviously, Shane will not be a supporter of Lucas Yonkman. This calls for my fake look of surprise, which is: :-o .
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I have a feeling there is more to this than meets the eye with Shane. I don’t know who Shane works for but I would almost bet that it is someone that benefits from our current councils decisions and that would be the residential building industry who wants to expand Oak Harbors residential areas and even further the imbalance our city currenly has. That is normally the way it works in Oak Harbor. It is not about how to better Oak Harbor for it’s citizens it is generally what is in it for me that drives the motivations of many.
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Cliff, for what its worth I am against the city expanding its boundries.
The only thing that politicaly drives me is just the same as what I would imagine drives you.
I want Oak Harbor to be the best place to live and raise a family we just have differing views at times.-
Yes, Shane, apparently you think that folks like Joel Servatius and Rick Almberg, whose antics include a well-publicized attempt to ban the wearing of hats by members of the public at City Council meetings are somehow endeavoring to make “Oak Harbor to be the best place to live and raise a family”.
See: “Oak Harbor councilman wants hats banned at meetings”
http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/146446205.htmlAlso, for some reason, you believe that the five City Council members who voted to UPHOLD what was obviously ILLEGAL municipal code, thus 100% unnecessarily risking an expensive LAWSUIT upon the City of Oak Harbor, are, somehow working to make “Oak Harbor to be the best place to live and raise a family”.
Is that about right?
Let me be clear. By the time this issue of ILLEGAL Municipal Code came to a SECOND VOTE before the City Council in January, 2013, what ONLY seemed to motivate Councilman Bob Severns was the realization – and he even SAID IT HIMSELF ON VIDEO – that INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS of the City Council were ALSO going to be targets of LITIGATION by the 2nd Amendment Foundation if the Council continued to REFUSE to amend the ILLEGAL Municipal Code as had been requested.
So, Mr. Severns acted as the appointed SPOKESPERSON for the other City Council members in demonstrating VERY CLEARLY for the public, that, when it came to acting and voting as stewards of the PUBLIC’s money, Mr. Severns and the four other folks who voted WITH HIM on 12/18/2012 had been 100% ready to BE SUED at PUBLIC EXPENSE!
However, when the realization came that it might cost City Council mmebers money from THEIR OWN POCKETS if this lawsuit was enacted, Severns the rest of the City Council all-of-a-sudden had an ENTIRELY different set of standards!
Therefore MOST ALL of this City Council has shown itself to be UNWORTHY of being re-voted onto this City Council, as they FAIL to look after the PUBLIC’s interests with anything that even COMES CLOSE to how they even view their own $$.
Being an elected official afforded the responsibility of voting to spend the PUBLIC’s money requires one to treat OTHER PEOPLEs’ MONEY with AT LEAST the same level of responsibility as one would afford one’s OWN MONEY!
The five City Council members who CHANGED THEIR VOTE from this issue on December 18 have clearly demonstrated that they FAIL! FAIL! FAIL! this basic test, and so should be REMOVED from Public Office at the next available opportunity to do so at the polls.
Watch the video from the City Council meeting from 01/154/2013 to see and hear exactly what I am alluding to:
“Oak Harbor City Council 1-15-2013″
http://youtu.be/TxHnCei4wzg-
Oh, my error..the video to which I should have linked above is THIS one:
“Oak Harbor, Washington Repeals Ban on Guns…”
http://youtu.be/4QgGVewubps
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I”ve read Shane’s immature stuff for a long while. There is no way he works for the building industry in any capacity.
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gimik?
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As I said there is a timeline, I did not imply any laws were broken but a clock does start ticking.
I do trust Lucas, but without being there I cant help but wonder if this whole thing isnt being enginiered by sandi peterson.
If it wasnt a gimmik why wouldnt lucas run against joel servatius who he appeared to have an issue with. If his sole purpouse was to win election why would he take on the hardest to beat council member?-
It does not take much “engineering” to see that our city council is largely dysfunctional and they are disfunctional by their own doings. As for Sandi Peterson “engineering” his run for office I wouldn’t know anything about that. I am not aware that Sandi and Lucas are in cahoots about anything but then again I am not a conspiracy theorist and not that interested in idle speculation, besides it would not matter anyway if Lucas had not stepped up there are many others that want to see changes in our dysfunctional city council and Bob Severns is part of that dysfunction so if it was not Lucas it would have been someone else.
Anyone would be better than what we have now.
As for Bob Severns being the “hardest to beat” council member I think that this council has made their own bed to sleep in and they are all targets for replacement. It is clearly what is in the best interest of our city. It is also clear that many of the council are obstructionists and are obstructionists to further their own agenda instead of doing what is best for the citizens of Oak Harbor. Anything we as citizens can do to end this dysfunction will benefit our city and Lucas Yonkman will not be the end of citizens stepping up to right what is wrong in Oak Harbor. My hat is off to Lucas Yonkman, at least he is stepping up to attempt to change what so obviously needs changing…
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“I did not imply any laws were broken”
However, you nonetheless DID yourself just slip into this thread the idea of some suggested illegality on Lucas Yonkman’s part, and for no substantiative reason. Very slippery on your part, indeed.
“I cant help but wonder if this whole thing isnt being enginiered by sandi peterson.”
I can’t help but wonder why that statement has any relevance to the real world.
‘If it wasnt a gimmik why wouldnt lucas run against joel servatius”
This entire line of “shane-questions” is ENTIRELY a GIMMICK!
“why would he take on the hardest to beat council member?”
When you have scientific poll results demonstrating any one member of the City Council to be “the hardest to beat”, come back here and publish them.
As far as I am concerned, all five of the City Council members who voted NOT to vote PROPERLY on the issue of amending the ILLEGAL City of Oak Harbor code have PROVEN they deserve to be VOTED OFF the City Council. Bob Severns is clearly in that group.
See: “Oak Harbor takes a stab at gun regulation”
http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/184821971.htmlAnyone who had read the City Council reading packet for THAT FIRST Council meeting (for 12/18/2012) at which this issue was raised and then still voted “NO” to amend that ILLEGAL Municipal Code THE FIRST TIME IT CAME TO A VOTE is 100% culpable in creating the wholly unnecessary MEDIA CIRCUS that subsequently ensued, and by doing so has shown the public that he or she is 100% EXPENDABLE from the City Council. We do not need media-seeking clowns on the City Council. We CAN DO BETTER.
See: 12/18/2012 City Council Agenda Packet (start on file page 126 of 213 or the document-labeled page # 143)
http://www.oakharbor.org/uploads/documents/5281agenda_city_council_12_18_12.bates_2.pdfMy bet: Lucas Yonkman, if he HAD BEEN on the Oak Harbor City Council at the time, would have been the only OTHER City Council member, in addition to Jim Campbell, to have demonstrated the COMMON SENSE to have voted PROPERLY to have amended that ILLEGAL Municipal Code when it FIRST came to a vote of the City Council!
Therefore, Lucas Yonkman is a SUPERIOR candidate for City Council, immediately out of the startling gate!
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“My bet: Lucas Yonkman, if he HAD BEEN on the Oak Harbor City Council at the time, would have been the only OTHER City Council member, in addition to Jim Campbell, to have demonstrated the COMMON SENSE to have voted PROPERLY to have amended that ILLEGAL Municipal Code when it FIRST came to a vote of the City Council!
Therefore, Lucas Yonkman is a SUPERIOR candidate for City Council, immediately out of the startling gate!”And I think that you may be suprised how many Oak Haror citizens feel exactly the same way. It really is a “simple choice”.
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Shane, “I cant help but wonder if this whole thing isnt being enginiered by sandi peterson.”
then you “assume” Sandi Peterson…etc. but you have no facts; just your opinionated BSand if I agreed with you we’d both be wrong and you would have made an “ass” of “u” and “me”
No thanks I want nothing to do with you-
The reason I figured Sandi into the equation is the fact that shes challanging joel servatius who she feels is very beatable. I think its fair to assume that lucas was either asked by someone with interest in sandis campaign to run against bob severns or advised what seat she was running for and not to challange her.
Its the only thing that makes since, Lucas made it clear that rick almberg and joel servatius were the council members that he was the most displeased in so why would he not challange one of them.
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Rick Almberg is not up for re-election. I have not heard about Sandi Peterson except for rumors but I have also heard rumors others are planning to run against Servatius so I think your speculation is just that. Your speculation seems to be designed to somehow question the candidates veracity.
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“Its the only thing that makes since (sic)”.
Really? Your logic is: it’s allegedly public knowledge that someone else is already perhaps already planning to run against Joel Servatius so that particular person MUST ALSO BE “pulling the strings” on Lucas Yonkman’s decision-making?
I simply had no idea that potential candidates had so much control over one another!
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Shane. “The reason I figured Sandi into the equation is the fact that shes challanging joel servatius who she feels is very beatable. ”
Has sandi announced she is running for city council?
If she is then, as Shane says,
“…washington state law after publicly declaring intent to run for office there is a timeline to establish such things as who your campaign treasurer will be and reports must be filed quickly with the pdc. Once that type of information is out we will then at that point have a better idea if this is for real or if its just a big gimik as it on the surface would appear to be.”I hope Sandi has not broken any laws
ROFLMAO-
Sandi stood in city council chambers and told me she was running against Joel Servatius and I trust Sandi to be truthfull.
There is a diferance in declaring your intent publicly and privatly to a citizen.-
Then you know more than we or I do. I have heard idle rumors but I don’t see Sandi that often so it is always possible. She was at the event last night but she was very busy so I didn’t have much of a chance to speak with her except for a hello.
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Well, so much for speculation… I know both Sandi and Luke quite well and I can state with assurance that there is no connection besides, perhaps they have mutual interests and both are conservative. Sandi did not have anything to do with Mr. Yonkman’s decition to declare.
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It is pretty obvious that we need changes. I would have to imagine that when Luke went to the city council meeting and watched the circus performance he made a decision that this council needed to change and that we can do better. The circus performers that we have for some of our leaders is really beyond belief and any reasonable person would want to see that changed. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the answer…
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Did you graduate from a high school where spelling and punctuation was optional?
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Mike,
Haha its called I use my LG Lucid to post on here and my android 4 operating platform is not very compatable with island politics. The buttons are very small and if I miss a letter or sometimes a whole word or miss a punctuation there is no way to backtrack and fix the error. I am sure most on here can relate to fat finger syndrome while using a phone to post its even worse when I use my talk to text lol -
Says the guy that didn’t CAP his name. Sorry, I just had to. I don’t care for grammar and spelling Nazi.
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Shane,
Were you at the Republican Lincoln Dinner?
Did you talk with any of Yonkman’s team?
Did you ask his advisors the stupid questions about PDC you ask here?
OR…
Is this just more of your history of Bull Crap, i.e.,
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You are skating on thin ice with your stupid posts here“Some cause happiness wherever they go. Others whenever they go.” — Oscar Wilde
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“Is this just more of your history of Bull Crap, i.e.,”
Methinks, yes, that is exactly what it is!
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In Shanes defense he really did not break any of the above rules even though I would also like to say so at times…
I may not agree with Shane but he does have the right to his opinion.
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Shane’s comments are often what one might call a high value target of opportunity.
“Target of opportunity”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_of_opportunity-
Bill, Shane does have a right to his worthless opinion.
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Shane’s posts certainly keep showing up on here, don’t they? ;-)
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Cliff,
Thankyou for pointing this out and as I have said before I really do appriceate that you guys are taking the time to stand up for what you believe in.As far as supporting Lucas or not I will keep an open mind through the debates and forums. It will hinge on who his compitition is and how he presents himself through the election cycle but I have absolutly nothing against Lucas.
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I would think the choice would be clear. But maybe you do not have the same view of many of our council members as we do. I kinda find that troubling because anyone that has watched the past issues with the city council clearly has to know how obstructive and ridiculous most of them have become.
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“I will keep an open mind through the debates and forums.”
I will surely eat my words if you ever come to support Lucas Yonkman in his bid for Oak Harbor City Council, but I have little doubt there is any chance of me ever having to do so, no matter how well Lucas Yonkman “presents himself through the election cycle”.
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FWIW, I met Shane, once in person and seen him a few times on the local channel (at meetings) and until the “gun” issue happen, I would have thought he was in lock step with the masses on this site. So you all are confusing the crap out of me. he is either “right” and entitled to his opinions or he is not entitled to his opinion… Bill, which is it?
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Dean Martin, If your comment is aimed at this Bill, FWIW, I have never been “in lock step” with Shane
I said he’s an Internet Troll and still think he isBill Strowbridge
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Shane certainly has a right to his opinions. Whether he voices those opinions here on this website is dependent on him following our simple rules. We do have a right to stop people from commenting here even though we very rarely excercise that right. As for Shane being in lock step with us on this site well that is debatable. I think he weighs way too far on the left for many of us here and that is why the dissention.
Bill is certainly entitled to his opinion also…
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The more I’ve had opportunity to get to know Lucas, the more I find him to be a man of great character — humble, with a demonstrated willingness to serve others.
He supported and defended the Constitution in uniform, getting wounded overseas. He offers himself again in service to others, as an honor and privilege, vice seeking a position of prestige.
Is it asking too much to take him at face value as a pure patriot?!
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Thanks Tim for your words. I agree with you and I’ve never met the man but his family is all great citizens with strong ethics and personal convictions
He has good roots!
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When is almbergs seat up for grabs?
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In a little less than 3 years
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Rick Almberg is Position 3, with his current term running 2012-2015.
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Shane,
You appear younger than your age and I suggest you might want to educate and temper yourself just reading and giving some thought to the sage advice available here. “On the other hand” as the song goes, I believe there’s very little chance the seasoned individuals who regularly communicate are impressed or influenced by the attitudes and opinions you express. Just an observation.I am prepared to invest in Lucas Yonkman’s campaign when he files. Perhaps the information for doing that, address, etc. will be available here?
GG
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The back-n-forth between a few individuals over pointless issues, anyone who lives in the city limits of Oak Harbor and meet the citizenship requirements can and should seek to serve the community however they can. When people decide to run for public you need to be ready to have your good or bad past life brought out, your financial status, you need to know that certain positions require more time that you know and if you work will yoube able to be off work to attend meetings, workshops and travel. Being on the City Council is not a TITLE but a full time non-paid position with limited reimbursements, if you can give freely of yours and your familys time, do without getting paid and spending alot of time dealing with issues then you consider running but think about the WHOLE JOB and not just what you think it is…..check everything before you jump in….don’t let an issue decide what you should do….do it for the right reason.
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I thought the council members were paid. Municipal code 2.04.010 states that they make $425.00 per month. Is that still correct?
That is certainly not a lot of money but it IS something. Whether that is enough to put up with all the hard work that should come with the job I guess is in the eyes of the candidates.
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If you call $425.00 a month getting paid to sit throught what they do at council meetings, all the hours they spend researching and talking to staff, attending Standing Committees meetings and public gatherings as city officials then I stand corrected. I for one would not deal with the issues like the sitting members have and certainly not for $425.00. They are hard working, dedicated citizens trying to do the best they can…and no I do not agree with everything they did or are doing, but at least they stepped forward to take the job when the rest of us sit behind the scenes and bad mouth whatever they do…just part of the process…..
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That is not a lot of money for all the BS they have to take and all of the hard work that they put into the job. But is is a paid position, not very well paid but paid.
I do agree that they are all dedicated citizens it just sometimes makes me wonder where their dedication and loyalty is directed.
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My pay is $526/month. It started at the $425 level seven years ago.
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Thanks Jim. Not a lot for all the aggravation!
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Clijf – “Municipal code 2.04.010 states that they make $425.00 per month.”
Jim Campbell – “My pay is $526/month. It started at the $425 level seven years ago.”
So, that’s another example of a piece of Municipal Code on the City of Oak Harbor’s website that is “only” perhaps seven years out of date? Or, is $$ information on the city’s website intended to be purposely misleading? Or, maybe Councilman Campbell is simply receiving more $$ than he is authorized to receive legally? All are possible, it seems.
Prior to this example, we had all recently learned that the City of Oak Harbor’s Municipal Code as written was grossly in error with respect to firearms’ laws in the state of WA.
Correct me if I am wrong, but while City Council members “only” get paid $526/month to show up prepared for two monthly meetings where they can take action or final action, does not the City of Oak Harbor have a plethora of FULL TIME administrators and employees whose job it is to keep the information being provided to the public via such things as, oh, lets’ use, for example, the city’s Municipal Code and its OFFICIAL website, accurate and up to date?
Or, is legal and fiduciary accuracy in the Oak Harbor Municipal Code as presented to the public perennially via the internet simply a tertiary, unimportant issue?
For example, back in December, 2012 it was noted that “Municipal Code sections 6.12.10, 6.14.070, and 6.40.180, to be those items which VIOLATED the RCWs for firearms as currently written because they violated state law as they appeared there.
“Oak Harbor City Council openly violates state law by voting to uphold clearly illegal City Code regarding firearms in public parks”
http://www.islandpolitics.org/?p=8196In early February, 2013 – literally WEEKS AGO, by now, the Oak Harbor City Council declared an EMERGENCY to FIX IMMEDIATELY those sections of the city’s Municipal Code, in order to avoid a lawsuit. Those fixes and changes were effected, or, at least for those folks who actually watched the meeting or read about shorty thereafter.
Today, however, a cursory check of the City of Oak Harbor Municipal Code says:
From: OAK HARBOR MUNICIPAL CODE
http://www.codepublishing.com/WA/OakHarbor/6.12.010 Prohibited activities – Gross misdemeanors.
(1) The following activities are not permitted in city parks:
(h) Displaying or using weapons in the park except in lawful self defense or defense of another;6.14.070 Firearms and fireworks.
It is unlawful to shoot, fire or explode any firearm, fireworks, firecrackers, torpedo or explosive of any kind or to carry any firearm or to shoot or fire any air gun, bows and arrows, B.B. gun or use any slingshot in any park without the written permission of the council. (Ord. 214 § 8, 1965).6.40.180 Prohibited activities – Gross misdemeanors.
(1) The following activities are not permitted in the marina:
(h) Displaying or using weapons in the marina except in lawful self defense or defense of another;So, it appears to me the City of Oak Harbor STILL CONTENDS that we citizens are NOT ALLOWED to carry firearms in either city parks or at the marina.
Is that about right? it would seem SO!
In fact, the wording as it appears TODAY in the City’s Municipal Code is the SAME as was delineated in the City Council’s reading packet for the December 04, 2012 meeting, where it was explained as being ILLEGALLY worded.
See: http://www.oakharbor.org/uploads/documents/9123december_4__2012_city_council_agenda_packet.bates.pdf (pages 45-52).
Full disclosure: I am neither on the City Council receiving “only” $425/month (or $526/month) nor am I one of the City’s full-time employees charged with making such code updates or website updates in accordance with the laws or city policy, or…a paid JOB.
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Bill, There is such a thing as COLA
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That explains the delta between the reality ($526) and what the public is being told is the case ($425), but that existing delta is, of course, simply an example I used to make the point – the point being the apparent lack of accuracy and the lack of an attempt even to achieve accuracy in the Municipal Code that is provided to the public.
In my two examples – which are the ONLY two items even LOOKED AT whatsoever , BOTH examples are either out of date, are misleading, or are just plain WRONG!
How many other $$ figures cited on that Oak Harbor website in the Municipal Code are also erroneous?
How many other items of posted Municipal Code are also erroneous, for one reason or another?
There is such a thing as updating a web site.
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Ken, “does not the City of Oak Harbor have a plethora of FULL TIME administrators and employees whose job it is to keep the information being provided to the public via such things”
And in watching chan 10 those “FULL TIME administrators and employees” are meeting with the Mayor and various Council members for hours discussing operations and it’s all open to the public via Video same as their Council meetings They are almost like County’s work sessions that are recorded audio only for public records and are very difficult to understand what’s going on because of all the side conversations NOT RECORDED
That’s why we need to start video taping those County workshops and many of the meetings of the 41+ advisory committees that say they keep minutes but try to get them and if you do, they are edited to make sure they are politically correct for the Commissioner’s use
Oak Harbor might be bad in their good old boy actions but they look like “Saints” when you watch HPJ and company in action
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Wow! one little comment lead to hours of conversation. we all must be retired.
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The Title “City Council Member”sounds good, but I would suggest anyone wanting to run for the office, research, research, research what the position requires of your time…..it may look easy……but talk to someone who has been there done that and then make a sound decision……its alot more work than sitting at the city council chambers twice a month………
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C’mon Terry, it really isn’t a difficult job for an intelligent person.
The sky is not falling, the pressure is only intense because of a sincere belief that several of the people who are seated in those council chairs are not listening to the community in full.
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Thank you to all for your kind words, support, and concerns. I put a great deal of thought into my decision to run for city council. I understand the weight that this position and campaign will bring just as I understood the weight of volunteering to serve my country in combat. I am currently working toward finalizing my campaign team and submitting my PDC registration. My only motivation is to serve the people of this great community. My foundation is one of honesty, integrity and transparency. My goal is to improve the safety of our citizens, the accountability of our elected officials, and help guide our city to success in the coming years. Please believe me when I say this decision is not one based on personal gain. I feel that the citizens of Oak Harbor need a voice in the council, and I hope to be that voice.
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Thanks for stepping up Mr. Yonkman.
We need fresh blood with fresh new ideas for our city.
And yes, we citizens do need a voice in the council.
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It nice to have young people step forward and want to be part of “CHANGE” but one needs to fully understand what the position requires…..maybe talk to a current council member and understand the time it takes…..then make a decision understanding how much time you will need to devote….be ware that “The Good Ol Boy Club” has some long time friends with dollars to support them…they tend to not play fair…….listen before you speak because attorney friends provide information and you will be looked at hard and if any mud is out there, someone will find it and bring it forward….politics is a dirty game…..put on your hip boots and wade in….but watch out for the quick sand….they will throw bricks at you….stay tough!
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@ ‘Concerned’ … Quit trying to create fear about this very important job.
It’s just not that tough.
Politics isn’t a dirty job, what is dirty are the control freaks who think they can ignore the will of the people.
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Quite less than the intention of open government rules and transparency:
“They are almost like County’s work sessions that are recorded audio only for public records and are very difficult to understand what’s going on because of all the side conversations NOT RECORDED.”
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PS ….. If there is an mud in the background, fine with me. So long as the person isn’t a thief, there isn’t much that would bother me.
Humans are all of us. Someone with a past that is squeaky clean may not be the best representative of the rest of us. A goody 2-shoes never reflects properly.
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Not creating fear…I welcome anyone who wants to serve…just know what you are doing before you start..don’t let one issue drive your motivation…
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Speaking of “Serving” on the KOMO TV-4 News this evening one Congressman statement come on if we can’t this done…..we all should be fired – consider yourself alll the other Congressman FIRED! Pack your bags and join the real americans who work for a living …………
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